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Kash
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Great movie, an essential companion piece and natural conclusion to the Brat Pack films.
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What Kash said [Smile]
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I loved this back in the day, and I still really like it. However...

When watching this as a boy, the 'older' characters always seemed cool to me. When I was the same age as them, I kind of related even though I wasn't going through the same things. But now, as an adult (I use the term loosely), the characters seem self-involved and narcissistic. I just want to slap them in the face and say "Snap out of it!" So, I have an odd sensation when I watch it; nostalgia mixed with the same 'rejective' feelings the critics at the time did (due to my now-similar age).

Ultimately though, I still love it, largely because of nostalgia.

I used to use St. Elmo's as an example piece for how unfairly criticised mainstream US movies (particularly 80's movies) were. I always said that if it had been French, and hadn't had the 'big' theme, it would have been praised to high heaven. Hypotheticals FTW!

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ok sooooooooooo

Was at my mom's today and she got a new huge HD tv.....i'm messing with it and St. Elmo's Fire is on so i'm watching it......holy crap!!

My first HD movie and whoa.....I think....I think even less of this movie now.....it made it look cheaply made and almost "indie like".

Now is that just the effect of watching HD?

St. Elmo's just isn't a strong 80's flick for some reason? It has the most awesome cast.....but in HD did I really need to see Emilio's sweaty face up close and Ally Sheedy's teeth....whoa! [Smile]

I feel like an old fart getting transplanted in the future......"what's this there HD tv'rs....what's they messing with my tv'rs for?"

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Sadly, that´s the impact on some old movies Muffy.

This is one reason why i have a regular tv and VHS set in the other room,
so i can keep my feet on the ground.

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quote:
Now is that just the effect of watching HD?
Yes.

Just to check; you were watching the movie on a HD TV, but was it being broadcast in HD? If it wasn't, then it would look terrible.

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no springsteen is leaving this house!
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it was presented in HD so I was watching it in HD.........it's just plain trippy! still not sure if I liked it?
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im waiting for the next big 80's weekend on encore
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i have never cared for st. elmo's fire. [Frown]
i know it had all pack actors in it, but it just didn't do anything for me. i was annoyed with the majority of the characters, especially sheedy, mccarthy and emilio's character, kirby.

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i thought kirby was one of the best characters
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I liked Demi Moore's character the best...She had some great lines in this and her apartment was awesome! I liked Kirby too, he was cute.
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i agree with the original poster on the kirby plot line.

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I agree with Mike too. I liked Rob Lowe in this movie and Mare Winningham,but the rest of them I didn't really care for.

agreed. rob and mare, i didn't mind.
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I just re-read this thread. I absolutely hated that boogety- boogety thing too! My husband cannot watch this movie at all. He had a friend in college who watched it at least once a week!
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i always quite liked st elmos fire,i have the blu ray,got it for just £5 pounds brand new,picture and sound are a big step up from standard dvd. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GET3B_fRqLc .
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quote:
the characters seem self-involved and narcissistic
Yes, agreed. I watched this again recently showing it to a friend who had not seen it. I dont think i can watch it now without wanting to smack rob lowes character up the side of the head, throw a glass of water in Jules' face and say to Alec - your an arrogant w%$ker who has too much money and no personality.

At one time i did like this film but have long forgotten why really. I do share most thoughts with everyone else whos posted but there is one thing which i do like - the music.

Im ultimately concluding, i dont really see the point of this movie either now although there are a couple of scenes involving andrew Mc and emileo which do make me laugh. Too many actors competing for our attention using nothing method acting. Not one of the characters were able to pull of a convincing act for me sorry, now iv had a chance to look at it again and make another judgement. There are far too many other movies which put this to shame.

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I think it's easy to forget as adults just how much narcissism and a know-it-all attitude passes for cool and grown up in movies when you're younger. This movie is for people who haven't started college, or are just going through it.

It's worth pointing out that all the criticisms we are making of the movie now (as grown-ups) are more-or-less the same criticisms critics made of it at the time: Self indulgent, narcissistic, overacting, unbelievable, all style no substance, etc. Remember, it was during the shooting of this movie that the phrase 'brat pack' was coined.

When I watched it as a kid, the character flaws meant nothing to me. As a teenager / young adult, I saw the flaws but ignored them and just went with it. As an adult... let's just say I can breathe in the nostalgia and watch the movie with one eye closed seeing only what I saw when I was younger.

So I'll just leave you with something I used to say to people (and meant): If St. Elmo's Fire had been a French language film - it would be considered a masterpiece.

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Great post Logan, i still like St Elmo´s.
Awesome soundtrack!

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Yeah, Logan, you pretty much nailed it with that post to be fair mate.

I kinda see where your going with the french film route . . .I think if it was more melencoly, left of centre with a couple of unknowns and a little more thought in the cinematography this movie could have been more arthouse/successful rather than an 80s movie with no sustainability - so it seems looking at everyones posts.

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"St. Elmo's Fire" was on Encore today.. I remembered this thread and tried to give it another chance. I'm sorry to say that I still struggle to find any character that appeals to me in it.

I noticed that it made a few of the Rewinders Top 20 list.. so if it was on yours or you appreciate this movie.. please give me some insight because I want to like it.

"I'm obsessed thank you very much."

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val, sometimes movies are just middle of the road, not great but not terrible either, this movie i think is in that zone.
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Val dude, those people were driven by fear IMO, and that manifested itself in different ways (e.g. obsession, whoredom, frustration, nostalgia /delusion etc). But since they were all self-obsessed navel gazers, their common front or shared defence was hubris and egomania.

Its a familiar narrative template about being unprepared to face the challenges ahead. And conform to the arguably unreasonable or outmoded expectations that society hands down from one generation to the next.

These guys are basically trying to get by as best they can. Putting on a brave face, putting up their defences and essentially turning themselves into clichés and stereotypes along the way.

As Billy puts it:
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"Jules, y'know, honey... this isn't real. You know what it is? It's St. Elmo's Fire. Electric flashes of light that appear in dark skies out of nowhere. Sailors would guide entire journeys by it, but the joke was on them... there was no fire. There wasn't even a St. Elmo. They made it up. They made it up because they thought they needed it to keep them going when times got tough, just like you're making up all of this. We're all going through this. It's our time at the edge."

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good post kash
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I completely missed "St. Elmo's Fire" when it came out in 1985. Not sure why, but I guess part of this was because the film was about post-college students, and I didn't feel I could relate to this - being a H.S. kid at the time.

I did watch film years later for the first time, circa 2004-ish - when I was in my 30's. And, I could definitely relate to the film a lot more at the time, since I could easily remember the feelings of angst/uncertainty associated with graduating college, not being sure what you wanted to do with the rest of your life, etc. I actually think the film is one of the best movies about this time in many people's lives.

I could also really relate to the fact that friendships you have in college aren't necessarily the friendships you'll have forever. The film starts out with a very close-knit group of friends hanging out, commiserating, etc. However, it ends with the group obviously drifting apart - which is somewhat sad, but realistic. After you graduate college, you will sometimes move to another part of the state/country for work - or - even if you live in the same area as your friends, people will start focusing on their careers/families & not spend as much time on friendships. This occurs even moreso when you get into your 30's (and beyond).

So, SEF is an especially bittersweet film about growing up and having to embrace adult responsibilities - even if you don't want to [Wink]

I also like the locale - it's filmed (and set) in D.C.'s ritzy Georgetown area. I never lived there, but did grow up in Baltimore/D.C. back in the '80's, and do remember that area to some extent. Very nostalgic.

All in all, SEF is a great film that I appreciated a lot more when watching it as an older adult - than I would have seeing it as a kid.

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I guess I'm the only one who really likes this movie more than anyone! Of course, the nostalgic feeling of that time is there. I was a freshman in college when it came out. I saw it then and liked it.

It's not without flaws though. I thought that Judd Nelson and Rob Lowe should have swapped character roles. Kirby was a borderline psycho, stalker who would have been slapped with a restraining order and arrested at some point with his insane obsession of Dale.

I knew these people like all these characters at school too. I too was completely self absorbed in those years and after for a long time. My life, wants and needs was the most important thing in the world! I grew out of it eventually. Now, many, many years later I realize how shallow I was and had no thoughts of anything other than good times and H-U-M-O-R... [Wink]

I still watch it frequently and long for those basically carefree days before career stuff, family and responsibilities came to the forefront.

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