Doesn't anyone have anything to say? It's grown very quiet here over the last few weeks... a little too quiet for my liking.
My challenge for you all today is - I want everyone to start a thread on their favorite topic, then I want everyone to respond to at least 2 other threads.
Happy typing!
Posted by buffalo-girl (Member # 7498) on :
hey stitch i will do this but not until tomorrow i have limited time here right now with therapy and doc appts. etc. but today is the last day of my therapy for my neck so i should be here more next week i also miss a couple people here too not the same without them in my opinion! have a great day dee
Posted by kevdugp73 (Member # 5978) on :
Will do my best Stitch....less time on the computer due to work demands and the nice weather...also, I could cry when I think of all the things I need to do around the house...just about to start to open our pool up, which is, at the very least, a solid days work. Right now, on a bit of a vacation (12 days off), so am hoping to tidy up most of the house stuff. If I could "rewind"...I wouldn't build a 28 ft x 60 ft deck around my pool...cause now...I need to stain it. Anyone gonna be in Nova Scotia Canada this week? Many hands make light work...free beers and BBQ!
Posted by He came and he saw that it was NOMS (Member # 2688) on :
Personally I'd rather the boards were quiet than have to trawl through the endless amounts of drivel and fighting that we have had to endure of late.
However, I am looking forward to some new topics to get involved in that are les slikely to be deleted or locked by the mods.
Shhh Noms Posted by 80'sRocked (Member # 6979) on :
If nobody else wants to say it, I will....alot of it is because ISIS got banned. When she is gone from here, this place goes pretty dead. It's a shame....and she shouldn't have been banned in the first place. I see and hear everything that goes on here and on other sites. Not right in my opinion.
Posted by He came and he saw that it was NOMS (Member # 2688) on :
...and there was me trying to be diplomatic in my approach...
Diplo-noms-ic Posted by JAY LEE (Member # 6345) on :
What did she get banned for???
And please let us talk about this openly, without locking the threads like some damn communist country!
Posted by He came and he saw that it was NOMS (Member # 2688) on :
Does it matter?
Truth be told she's been banned previously and was only allowed to return under strict guidelines which she openly violated in her final post.
The truth be noms, and noms be the truth Posted by It's Sam, Mr. Hain If You're Nasty (Member # 3150) on :
IBTL
Posted by JAY LEE (Member # 6345) on :
Yes it does matter, I would like to know!
Posted by It's Sam, Mr. Hain If You're Nasty (Member # 3150) on :
whoever saw her final post will say her banning was warranted as a matter of fact she more less begged for it.
Posted by He came and he saw that it was NOMS (Member # 2688) on :
quote:Originally posted by It's Sam, Mr. Hain If You're Nasty: IBTL
Don't you mean...
Croco-noms Posted by He came and he saw that it was NOMS (Member # 2688) on :
quote:Originally posted by It's Sam, Mr. Hain If You're Nasty: whoever saw her final post will say her banning was warranted as a matter of fact she more less begged for it.
What he said ^^
She said some not nice things and said "I don't care if I get banned as this will be my final post"
or something like that.
...and that's all noms has to say about that Posted by JAY LEE (Member # 6345) on :
Well, I didnt see that!
Sometimes this place is like a big dysfunctional family, where everything "unpleasant" is quickly swept under the rug, to keep up appearances!
Im not siding with anyone, cuz im usually the last to know, when all of this drama pops off, and left in the dark.
Posted by Riptide (Member # 457) on :
She didn't say the smartest things on her last post I will agree with that or the way she went about it, but when people who were originally banned get to come back with another username and get to post like nothing happened it's a real double standard.
Posted by kevdugp73 (Member # 5978) on :
I typically visit once per day, but was limited for about three weeks when my mother in law was staying with us (long story)...she was sleeping in our computer room...so limited access. Some stuff must have gone down when I was out of the loop. Anyway...contemplated myself logging off for a while, as I was getting tired of the fighting....I typically enjoy the humor most can offer, and I like getting questions answered as I try to keep up with some of the pros, and learning about some potential 80's gems that I missed as a kid. I absolutely love 80's movies and music in general, and avidly collect each...a shame if this "once fun" site continues to go down the "terlet"...as Archie Bunker would say! I think there's some really cool guys and gals on this site, and would hate to see them gradually drop from the pages.....Kevin Douglas P_____________, born in 73, hence kevdugp73.
Posted by 80'sRocked (Member # 6979) on :
I saw her last post too and some of it was the truth. Yes, she goes overboard at times...others do as well. It is funny that she is the only one to ever get "punished". That is ridiculous anyway, to ban someone from a forum for stating opinions or a little bickering. Everything always get deleted before Nick gets to see it too. I wish he knew what really went on here at times....
Posted by Riptide (Member # 457) on :
She was controversial at times I admit, but she wasn't the only one. This I do know though, when she was banned previously for two years, the Rewind was a dead zone, so maybe her opinions weren't for everybody but she did bring a lot of energy, colorful topics and banter not to mention other posters who came out of the woodwork when she came back.
Posted by mamamiasweetpeaches (Member # 1715) on :
I had a few ideas for posts but didnt wanna seem like a hog. Now Im gonna put em up! Oink oink oink
(see 80s Movies and '80s Culture)
Posted by Muffy Tepperman (Member # 1551) on :
I love your new posts Mamma mia!
For me the weathers been so nice, so outside fun for me instead of playing at the Rewind...
P.S. it's raining today
Posted by It's Sam, Mr. Hain If You're Nasty (Member # 3150) on :
quote:Originally posted by Riptide: She didn't say the smartest things on her last post I will agree with that or the way she went about it, but when people who were originally banned get to come back with another username and get to post like nothing happened it's a real double standard.
Remember though that there were two people who were originally banned and both were allowed to come back. One decided to keep her old name and the other decided to switch. Most of the old time posters knew who the one that switched her name originally was anyways, so no harm there as far as I can see.
There are a few of us here, me included, that do push the envelope here on occasion but only two have ever crossed the line and taken things too far and have gotten banned for their actions. Recently one of those two took things too far once again and subsequently got banned.
Posted by It's Sam, Mr. Hain If You're Nasty (Member # 3150) on :
quote:Originally posted by 80'sRocked: Everything always get deleted before Nick gets to see it too. I wish he knew what really went on here at times....
Some posters here deleted their own posts and others were deleted by what appears to be Paul or Devo who are both mods here and are acting on what they feel is in the best interest of the boards and of Nick as well.
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
I didn't see it as punishment considering in the message it was said "I don't care if I'm banned or not." That's like a 12 year old saying "I'm going to throw this rock through the window I don't care if I get in trouble." It's almost as if your daring them to do it which is disrespectful either way. The consequences of being banned were known otherwise the statement wouldn't have been made. Quite a few of us push the envelope to an extent but know when to back off. I think in many instances simply challenging someone's ideas and opinions on here is seen by others as pushing the envelope especially when some didn't know how to take criticism yet had no trouble dishing it out. I don't think it's been really dead but a helluva lot more peaceful where folks agree to disagree in many instances without making vague statements without thinking and the same ol everything modern sux BS.........
[ 14. May 2009, 17:13: Message edited by: MotleyRulz ]
Posted by 80'sRocked (Member # 6979) on :
quote:Originally posted by It's Sam, Mr. Hain If You're Nasty: Some posters here deleted their own posts and others were deleted by what appears to be Paul or Devo who are both mods here and are acting on what they feel is in the best interest of the boards and of Nick as well.
I know that she deleted alot her own stuff Sam. She is no angel....I know that. At least you and Motley admit that you go a bit overboard at times yourself....alot do, but I still think that the banning was out of line and over the top. I'm not just trying to side with her, I'm trying to make a fair assessment from what I see and hear. Suspension - maybe, but banning is ridiculous unless you use profanity or post porno....this is not high school, we are all adults(most of the time). I'm not just talking about her either....nobody should be banned from what I have seen go on here the last month or so (including ISIS' last post). It wasn't that bad of a post.
Posted by Stitch Groover (Member # 2895) on :
It's no secret that I'm a big friend of Isis, but I'm also the first to admit that she is very quick to take that bait, and even though I've warned her to be careful in the past, she can't help but bite. And when there are a number of people who know this and deliberatly put the bait out there for her to take, we all know what's gonna happen.
There was a member here 2 years ago (Eightieschick) who targeted Isis, leading to her leaving back then. As soon as Isis left, Eightieschick disappeared too, I don't know if she was banned or just left. Late last year when Isis rejoined us here, Eightieschick signed up under a different name, which is a valid thing to do - but picked up the bullying where it left off.
It's one thing to fight on a little forum like this, but when that person goes to other websites (YouTube is one example) and insults Isis' appearance and the way she speaks, Isis has every right to be upset. This person even insulted me when I had a word or two to say (she said that I was proud of my diseases and those of my "butt buddies"). Firstly I don't have any diseases, and that kind of attitude is pathetic.
I'm very tempted to name who Eightieschick is but a lot of people already know. And to whoever said that a lot of the thread locking and removal happens before Nick sees it, you might be right - I messaged Nick a few weeks back with the full story and never heard back.
Posted by Nick (Member # 404) on :
quote:Originally posted by Stitch Groover: I messaged Nick a few weeks back with the full story and never heard back.
I'm sorry about that Stitch
What happens seems to be this:
* The board is 'factional'. It's a sad fact. It's gone that way. It's not easy to see how that will ever come back the right way
* It puts ppl off and so stifles new ppl feeling like joining
* I dont have time to read the boards as often as I'd like. I have to do all the web development, daily updates etc --as well as my real job -which is, of course, gonna be harder in a climate like this.
* Arguments typically happen in USA time (when I'm asleep-ish in the UK)
* Stuff gets heated then the threads get deleted
* I get a bunch of mails/pms from the different "factions" -each claiming the other was just "plain out of order"
* I can't see the wood from the trees, so leave it to the mods.
The simple fact is that I originally started this site back in the 90s when the 80s was the embarrasing decade that was the un-coolest thing ever. I genuinely wanted to give the 80s the props I thought it deserved. I hated the way the media constantly referred to the 80s as "the decade that style forgot" and "cheesy rubbish" etc etc.
The boards were added simply so that that like-minded people could get together and discuss things...
...But things never work out as simply as that.
-Why do other sites have boards that seem to be full of positivity and run well? Probably because the mods come down like a ton of bricks on ppl who are in any way disruptive of the core purpose of that board. Something starts and the ppl are gone. Everything appears to the casual reader as peaches and cream. Who knows...
Other successful boards certainly seem to have rule pages of 'biblical' length!
Thats never been our style here, but that does mean that this place has ended up as cliquey as high school... which is a shame. It reflects badly on the whole site when there's just so much naked hate on display.
I'm not sure what the best approach is.
Maybe the social side of the site is a mistake?
Maybe ppl should pay for membership, which would encourage them not to misuse it? Who knows...
Answers on a postcard please...
-Nick
Posted by Stitch Groover (Member # 2895) on :
Thanks for the quick response Nick.
In my life, I don't like conflict, I try to avoid it and when it happens around me I try to stay as impartial as I can.
Like I've said in the past, Isis is no angel, and when I've disagreed with her, I've called her out on it, like I do with anyone else here. But some of the attacks against her were so malicious and the people doing the attacking were clearly delighting in stirring up s*** storms.... it's like in high school where the bully gets away scott free while the victim is punished for standing up for themselves.
I think on the whole these forums run really well. We all have common interests, and when you look at the number of people here and the broad range of topics we discuss, it's really cool that we have found our little oasis here.
My wish is for things to be more even handed. If there is a conflict between 2 members, don't just punish one. This doesn't mean you have to be heavy handed either, as most arguments here aren't really that big. But when someone consistently taunts another Rewinder across multiple threads, that's a major issue.
Posted by Paul Dangerously, you iceholes.... (Member # 1022) on :
Just catching up on this thread, which has grown a bit overnight - and wanted to respond as the guy at the sharp end most of the time who has to resolve the spats you all have on here....
Firstly, for those who complain about moderating being 'uneven' - simply not true. This is just another example of one 'faction' believing they are hard done by when they step out of line and are punished. When something needs moderating, it gets moderated. No matter what, no matter who. And to answer the point about Nick not being aware - Nick has repeatedly said to me that the moderation of this board is as he wants it. He sees as much as he can, and trusts Devo and I to handle the rest. So please don't imagine he's not firmly in the loop on this stuff.
Secondly, There are an awful lot of conversations going on outside of the board, which all add to the data we have when we make decisions to kick someone or not. And whilst that means that you are (quite rightly) not seeing the whole picture, trust me when I say that bannings are ALWAYS done as a last resort. In the specific case of Isis, there were far too many off-board conversations, PMs and emails flying around for us to ignore. Warnings were given, and she still felt that she would rather say her piece and get kicked out, than agree that the Admins and Moderators of the board are the ones who make and enfore the rules, not her. So she spouted her final few posts and walked. And we are not in a position to accept that kind of behavior at the moment, so she stays banned. For what it's worth, this isn't the only message board that have had these issues with her, and we have been WAY more tolerant than others.
Thirdly, as has been said before - if there's a post on here that you find objectionable, or that you feel we should look at, then REPORT IT. Don't respond in kind, because then the fights start and nobody wins.
As for other members, then I can only reiterate than when someone steps out of line, they get moderated. If they really step out of line, they get banned. Some of this is going on right now - but you simply need to behave yourselves, and let us deal with the troublemakers.
Noe please - let's put this behind us and get on with posting?
Paul
Posted by buffalo-girl (Member # 7498) on :
i have not been here that long so i am not gonna say too much about this but i do like everyone here and i also miss isis i think it is pretty sad that people can't voice their opinions without getting a bad response from people i thought forums were for this purpose and to get to know people's like's and dislikes' ? i have been on another forum since 2005 and we never had any problems there at all everybody respects everyone's opinions there!! in fact i emailed isis to join me there hopefully she will ! i like this board even though i can only be here once a day sometimes i say keep it real that's it have a great friday everyone dee
Posted by pettyfan (Member # 2260) on :
I have to say this board is more tolerant than another one I belong to. At least you can voice your opinions over here. At the other one if you even disagree in the least with someone or say something someone else disagrees with you're tarred and feathered. Kinda makes you wanna stay away. Sure, people disagree here; it's a fact of life. It doesn't make me want to leave or whatever, but I guess I can see how it would make some people want to. Anyway, just my two cents worth--I like the social board and hope it stays.
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
Isn't this one of those type of topics that seems to cause trouble in the first place? Or was that the intention of even starting it? I think the mods do a great job personally.......
Posted by 80'sRocked (Member # 6979) on :
I think it is great to get all this out in the open and get everyone's take on the subject....in a mature, respectful manner.
Posted by pettyfan (Member # 2260) on :
I think the mods do a great job, too.
Posted by JAY LEE (Member # 6345) on :
quote:Originally posted by 80'sRocked: I think it is great to get all this out in the open and get everyone's take on the subject....in a mature, respectful manner.
Ditto!
Posted by Nick (Member # 404) on :
quote:Originally posted by Paul Dangerously, you iceholes....: Nick has repeatedly said to me that the moderation of this board is as he wants it. He sees as much as he can, and trusts Devo and I to handle the rest. So please don't imagine he's not firmly in the loop on this stuff.
Yes, this is a point that I should clarify.
Paul & Devo have an incredibly hard job with doing this stuff, because they have to constantly be aware of whats going on and it requires real patience, diplomacy -and all this for no money, little credit and lots of whispered criticism from certain quarters.
They certainly do a better job and have more patience than I would, so they have my full support. Anything less just wouldnt be fair.
For what it's worth, this isn't the only message board that have had these issues with her, and we have been WAY more tolerant than others.
This is also important. Paul, Devo & Myself all believe in moderate behavour (no pun intended ) Personally, as we all do this for free, I believe that no-one should treat any of us like we are running a corporation that has failed to meet their expectations.
There aint no paying customers here. You're all considered as friends --and all we expect from our friends is the same behavour that would be appropriate in 'real life'.
My post above relates to my sadness that our 'friends' dont always see it that way and so maybe we need a new outlook. I hope not Posted by jdocster (Member # 5752) on :
Nick,
Perhaps you could take a vote? Ask who of us would pay for a full membership, and, who would be put off by it. If you pay, you get access to the "Social" forum etc. Also, if you pay for a membership you agree to take a bit more crap from people so the mods don't have to slap our hands every time someone gets unpleasant. You know, take your diapers off and put on some adult clothes.
What about community based policing? How about the rule of 5?
Maybe, if say, I tick 80sRocked off, and in turn that offends 4 other people, then 5 of you could request that I be kicked out for two weeks.
Just a thought...
- jdocster
Posted by 80'sRocked (Member # 6979) on :
quote:Originally posted by jdocster: Maybe, if say, I tick 80'sRocked off, and in turn that offends 4 other people
Only 4 others will be offended? C'mon, I have more friends than that here....
In all seriousness, those are some interesting ideas. With some discussion, I could see something like that working.
Posted by Stitch Groover (Member # 2895) on :
Funny how the only people happy with the mods decisions are the ones who wanted to get rid of Isis in the first place.
Posted by He came and he saw that it was NOMS (Member # 2688) on :
Stitch, I think you should just accept what has happened without trying to stir up more controversy.
I have been on these boards for 5 years now and admit that I have gotten involved in fights that I probably wouldn't have wanted to.
However, I certainly do NOT feel that my presence here has ruined these boards which is one of the things Isis stated in her last post. The majority of conflicts I have had with her have been over her constant posts stating that nothing is good about modern life and the times when she has tried to offer mental health opinions that, as a professional in the field, I have taken umbrage with her.
When she returned from her previous ban I have done my best to avoid her posts because I know she is the type of person who deliberatley posts controversy to stir up trouble. She's the highest poster on these boards and, knowing full well the type of people that respond to her she has posted things that she KNOWS people will not agree with and then gets worked up when people don't takje her side.
I don't know what else has been going on off the boards and frankly don't care. What I would like to reiterate is that she posted her final post KNOWING that it would get her banned.
You can cry that she has gone or you can smile that you knew her. I'm sure that you must be in contact with her in other ways so why don't you just let it go on here.
Yes, the boards may not be as busy as they were before but at least the topics should be more interesting and less controversial.
And believe me, if the mods chose to ban Motley, Sam or any of the others that I seem to have developed friendships with, then I would be happy that they were banned for the right reasons and would accept that. Sure, I would miss them but if you constantly break the rules, eventually you have to pay.
Fully supporting the mods Noms Posted by Pittsburghgirl (Member # 7514) on :
This whole thread was started to stir up trouble. Puh-leeze, get on with it!
Posted by Riptide (Member # 457) on :
Don't you have enough blood on your hands?
Posted by Stitch Groover (Member # 2895) on :
I accept the fact that she's been banned, and I understand why. I just don't like that other people (not you Noms), get away scott free with all the taunting and quasi bullying they've been doing on these boards.
Noms, I think you've always known me to be fairly reasonable and even handed but this situation has really bothered me. The worst part of it being that a couple of members here were using MySpace to congratulate each other on stirring her up. No one deserves that kind of ridicule. I know I'd be fed up with it too if it was happening to me.
The main offender in all of this also has a problem with me, mainly because I'm a friend of Isis. She has called me - pompous, a blasphemer, a sicko, sacreligious, disease-ridden and that my friends are my "butt buddies".
Now, that's all pretty offensive stuff. So if I'm taking all of this a little personally, please try and understand why.
Posted by Nick (Member # 404) on :
Stitch, I'm saddened to read that
I for one can say that in my (admittedly sparse - see above) experience, you have always been reasonable and agree that no-one should have to put up with either of the things you mention.
As Paul has said above if anyone gets treated like that in future, either on these boards, PM's or, in certain cases, via external sites (but relating to situations on this site) the the first step is to not deal with it yourself, but to copy/paste what is said and send it to the mods with your report on what has happened.
And the people concerned will be gone. Period.
As far as I'm concerned, anyone who is reasonable and even handed is very welcome here regardless of other personal factors like orientation/age/race/political views etc.
"What does he know about web bullying" (meaning me) you might be asking yourself... Well, the answer is quite a lot.
There are plenty of miscreants, some of which will be familiar to to members of these boards, who have stopped at nothing to smear/ridicule and stir up hate for me personally on other message boards, including ones where cyber-terrorists hang out. It is not nice and I do understand why anyone would take it personally, because it is personal.
Once again, I'm sorry that it has happened to you Stitch
Please folks. I understand that everyone isn't going to get on all the time, but can we just let things lie now and get on with the subjects at hand? Thanx Posted by There'll be no morning for us (Member # 5804) on :
It's my 2 year anniversary here, woohoo When I first joined, now THAT was quiet. There was literally 2 - 3 posts each day and one of them was me haha. After a few months it started buzzing and it's been great since Posted by xchazx (Member # 7158) on :
i have also been busy and not on much, so i'm completely lost on what's going on.
out of all the messageboards i go on, this is by far and away the one with the nicest group of people. you guys are all either crazy or super sensative if you think what goes on here is bad. you would never survive on some of the other boards i post on.
i agree with 80s rocked, unless someone is posting porn or some similar offense, no one should be banned. people need to grow up. there are a few people who post here who annoy me more than iris, but i wouldn't want any of them banned.
Posted by It's Sam, Mr. Hain If You're Nasty (Member # 3150) on :
Bottom line is Isis gave the mods no choice but to ban her. She basically gave the mods an ultimatum by saying as long as a certain poster continues to post here that would be her last post and that she didn't care if that post would get her banned.
I guess I can't even say that she was necessarily banned for 100% certainty. All I know is what I read in that final post of hers and the fact that she's no longer listed in the directory under top posters.
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
Ditto^^ and is this ever gonna be rested? Each post is saying the same thing time after time......
Posted by He came and he saw that it was NOMS (Member # 2688) on :
Each post is saying the same thing time after time...
Repeated Noms Posted by kevdugp73 (Member # 5978) on :
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When I first joined, now THAT was quiet. There was literally 2 - 3 posts each day and one of them was me haha. After a few months it started buzzing and it's been great since