I am so excited, because Cindy Mancini sent me the entire series of Double Trouble on DVD. It is the one show I have been dying to see since the 80s. I watched four episodes last night. It was better than I even remembered. They had the coolest clothes, and they taught aerobics at their Dad's gym. Their Dad is the guy who played "Dutch" on Soap. He is dating Patricia Richardson (from Home Improvements) in Double Trouble.
In the second episode, Cameron Dye- from Valley Girl- was in that episode-it was very cool to see him-and with blonde hair-he looked totally different.
The girls are in high school, and this is something major that I noticed in this show, and then I started thinking about other shows.
There use to be this huge emphasis on school/education in the TV shows of the 80s that involved teenagers...like in this one Allison is the smart one, and she's always studying and working on school projects, and worrying about getting good grades and what college to go to.
That was in just about every show involving teens back in the 80s and even the 70s. The Bionic Woman was a teacher for her regular job, so was Isis-so was The Greatest American Hero-and alot of the TV shows centered around going to school. Like ..Facts of Life and Square Pegs. I started thinking about that, and about what is actually on TV now that teenagers watch...I don't know of 1 actual show...but the stuff I see teenagers on now- even on MTV's "My Sweet Sixteen"- the basis of any of it...is greed and self centered-ness, and being a spoiled rotten brat, most of the kids don't have a brain in their head...kids today are flunking out of school more than ever...it really is sad how stupid people have become. It seems like everything is centered around violence and sex- and not about bettering yourself through education, and belonging to clubs and volunteering.
I can't understand why more people aren't picking up on it. I think about what are people doing every day ....I know there are kids out there that still work hard at school and will go on to become productive adults....but I see a bigger trend of people who don't have any ambition at all to do anything with their life, and that is scary. Every time I ever talked to my son's best friend, he was flunking out of every subject, and he wasn't a stupid person-he just never paid attention to anything.
I have seen alot of older teenagers that have no care at all about school, and they just are putting in time- and I think...for what- your going to come out of there and not be able to support yourself.
It really is a scary situation...because all of it is connected.
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
You know what else is weird, is how many "School" related movies there were in the 80s:
Class Oxford Blues Fast Times at Ridgemont High Private School Ski School Police Academy Revenge of the Nerds Back to School Summer School Ferris Bueller
That's just a few-I am sure I could think up more....do you see that now ?? In titles of movies?
I think that is a subliminal message that was being promoted in the 80s....they emphasised school all over the place, and made a ton of college related movies.
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
Those movies were probably (and this is just a random guess) a successful effort by the movie companies to appeal to those of high school/college age at that time rather than subliminal messaging..... Posted by Pittsburghgirl (Member # 7514) on :
School today is way different than 20 years ago. The colleges will pretty much accept anyone who has a beating heart/pulse. So these kids don't have to worry. What ****es me off is the stupidity of parents. At our local high school, a few parents got into an uproar because they felt that their daughters did not get enough playing time last season on the volleyball team. The coach has led them in the past to runner-up in the state championships. But now it's come down to "my little Suzie didn't get enough play time" or "my little Barbie got yelled at by the coach for being late for practice or not showing up numerous times." I personally do not know the coach, but it is a pity that the senior girls are being penalized, when they could have been up for scholarships to college. The coach is now on suspension, so since there is no coach,the team is not allowed to travel to any tournaments, where scouts could be looking to recruit. What a shame. I think a lot of parents need to realize that their kids are either 1. spoiled brats who need to learn to respect their elders or 2. Not a top notch player; so is it equal time for each kid, or a winning team? I think they need to learn sportsmanship. Sore losers.
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
I agree with ya on the stupid parents pitt. I help coach a little league football team as a yearly favor for a friend of mine. The parents act like bigger brats than the kids. They've actually had to throw a couple out of games here. And let's face it folks everybody wants to see their kids do good but not everybody has an all-star on their hands. Some parents refuse to realize that. I never personally tell them that but it's sad when a lot of them actually think their kid's gonna be in the NFL someday. Let the kids actually enjoy themselves rather than harp on them for missing a pass or block or whatever.......
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
Yeah...I know they were appealing to the teenage group of kids...
The Breakfast Club, Sixteen Candles, Lucas, The Goonies- all school related--even Cutting Class was just mentioned....
Now, look at the titles of new movies...there is a negative word in alot of them...
The Uninvited He's NOT that in to you Shoot Em Up Kill Bill Shooter Gun My Life in Ruins The Grudge 12 ANGRY men BURN after Reading Underworld Hostile Hellboy Killshot Outlander Donkey Punch (what the heck is that) Notorious Bride WARS The UNborn Defiance Slumdog Millionaire (that even has a negative title)
Those are movies that are playing right now, or a few I just could think up....
There is a negative word in every title...or implied violence.
Doesn't anyone else see this as a problem??
Where is Love, or something good in the title....
like:
Loverboy Date with an Angel Oh God Honeysuckle Rose (that even sounds nice) Bed of Roses
even movies like An Officer and a Gentle Men and Top Gun were about bettering yourself, and being a better person, and setting goals for yourself.
What movies are really geared towards Teens today??
I just listed a ton of them that were Teen related in the 80s....that had to do with School, and even TV was like that...Little House on the Prairie was based around a school. Where do kids see that now? They don't have a clue.
Even License to Drive- was showing the importance of studying and passing the driver's test.
Look at the importance of school in "My Tutor"-hahaha....(that is a joke-incase anyone didn't get it)....
But still school was everywhere in the 80s.
Now, it has been replaced.
Someone please just name me 1 TV show or movie that has to do with high school/college??
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
License to Drive portrayed underage drinking. Revenge of the Nerds portrayed individuals smoking pot, Ferris Bueller made it seem ok to skip school while lying about illness. What's your point? Those are certainly issues in movies that made it seem ok/cool to break the law. I like all the mentioned movies but you certainly cannot look at them with tunnel vision making out like they portray everything in a positive light.....
Movies to do with high school/college
American Pie American Pie 2 American Wedding Scream Scream 2 Superbad High School Musical High School Musical 2 High School Musical 3 Orange County The Skulls Urban Legend
[ 24. January 2009, 19:00: Message edited by: MotleyRulz ]
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
No...I am not saying that they were really educational....but there is the word SCHOOL in the title- which has an implied meaning to it...yeah I know they drank beer and there was tons of sex and all that stuff....but it wasn't violence-and negativity.
There is something else going on today in the world...it's this constant negative attitude about everything.
I am not saying that Ferris Bueller was right for skipping school, or you should drive without a license....
I am saying that SCHOOL was a part of the movie...the movie revolved around some sort of educational system....
you don't see that today....where is it?
Even the TV show FAME was about a dance school....Flashdance was about getting in to a dance school.
Yeah...every movie has some sort of sex, drugs, alcohol....but the over all messages weren't about shooting people in the head.
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
You never mentioned it needing to have the word school in it when you said to name. Another case of the rules being changed when proven wrong. Not all movies today are about shooting people in the head. How can it be said there's constant negativity today when certain individuals always make negative comments about 90% of new/modern everything? Isn't that promoting negativity?
[ 24. January 2009, 19:21: Message edited by: MotleyRulz ]
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
Those movies you listed...
Scream?
The Skulls?
They might have been based around school-I am not saying they have to have the word school in the title- you totally messed my words all around...I am saying that the titles had a positive sound to it...the new movies have NEGATIVE words in them.
I have said it before...and I'll say it for the gazillionith time----saying I don't like negative stuff and violence does not make me negative it makes me positive, because I don't want around that garbage.
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
But the way the argument is presented it seems like it's bein said that everything new/modern is bad garbage when plenty of 80s movies loved by certain people contain the same things. How can it be ok for one decade but not ok for another? Isn't that being hypocritical? There's nothing negative in the titles I mentioned.......
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
Ok whatever you say...I am going to watch Double trouble now...bye.
Posted by Riptide (Member # 457) on :
As for good school shows/movies past and current, i will go to bat for Kids of Degrassi, Degrassi High and the current Degrassi:The next generation. Always a good mix relevant issues that wasn't afraid to not candy coat everything.
Posted by 80'sRocked (Member # 6979) on :
quote:Originally posted by MotleyRulz: Movies to do with high school/college
American Pie American Pie 2 American Wedding Scream Scream 2 Superbad High School Musical High School Musical 2 High School Musical 3 Orange County The Skulls Urban Legend
Don't forget about Road Trip!
Posted by JAY LEE (Member # 6345) on :
I can kinda see what you mean Isis. And sometimes I share the same grim outlook on current times, as opposed to the happy times of yesteryear. BUT, then I remind myself that my parents, young in the 60's, the love generation, couldn't understand my love of Rambo,Jason Voorhees,Freddy,Terminator, Aliens and all the stuff I enjoyed in the 80's. It is a generational thing. My grandparents saw the love/hippie movement as something negative as well. And im sure, that my great grandparents frowned on my grandparents love of jazz or whatever.... it will always be like that!
Posted by Pittsburghgirl (Member # 7514) on :
I think we've got another broken record...
Posted by Sammy Reign In Blood Hain (Member # 3150) on :
Looking at the directory of movies from this site here's a list of 80s movies with negative titles
100 ways to Murder Your Wife 8 Million Ways to Die A Nightmare on Elm Street 1 & 2 A View to a Kill Bad Boys Bad Taste Best Little Wh0rehouse in Texas Better Off Dead Big Trouble in Little China Bloodsport Breaking All The Rules Casualties of War Chopping Mall City of the Living Dead City On Fire Day Of The Dead Dead Heat Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid Dead pool Dead Zone Death Wish 2,3 & 4 Die Hard Ding Dong You're Dead Dirty Rotten Scoundrels Evil Dead 1 & 2 Fatal Attraction Fear City First Blood
notice I'm still only in the F's and left out a few I could have added. So I guess I don't follow your argument.
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
Yeah, but that's because the 80s had a billion movies being made. There was at least some balance.
The ones I listed where the ones that came out this week.
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
LOL there was no balance to 80s movies and there are many many movies being made these days. If you think about it a lot of 80s movies have a lot in common with today's movies. Oh so now the stipulations are they have to come out within a week at the same time? The list you made has various movies that all came out at different times. So basically since you never responded, I'm assuming violence and gore in movies back in the 80s was ok but it's bad and wrong to do it now? Still sounds pretty hypocritical as you yourself grew up on a lot of similar horror techniques used in many of today's horror movies. And just because it's February doesn't mean it's snowing everywhere. That one made me laugh the hardest......
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
What are you talking about?
Are you talking about My Bloody Valentine?
I looked up the location of where it was filmed. It was filmed in Kittaning, where I thought it was... based on the fact that I saw Kittaning written on the back of the ambulance- which was horribly edited...
Even if PA had a mild winter- there aren't leaves on ANY trees here...except pine trees, and people don't put potted flowered plants out on their front porches-SO unless they were having the movie set in the south or out in Arizona....which I don't know how many coal mines there are in Arizona....but anyway.. they do not have maple trees in Arizona.
I am glad your laughing at the fact that I picked up on a major GOOF in the movie- that you obviously weren't even paying close enough attention to anything...to realize how stupid it looked to have leaves on the trees in February.
So guess what.....I am the one laughing!
Posted by pettyfan (Member # 2260) on :
quote:Originally posted by 80'sRocked: </font><blockquote><font size="1" face=""Century Gothic", Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face=""Century Gothic", Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by MotleyRulz: Movies to do with high school/college
American Pie American Pie 2 American Wedding Scream Scream 2 Superbad High School Musical High School Musical 2 High School Musical 3 Orange County The Skulls Urban Legend </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face=""Century Gothic", Verdana, Arial">Don't forget about Road Trip!
If you're gonna include Road Trip you gotta include Euro Trip.
Posted by JAY LEE (Member # 6345) on :
quote:Originally posted by Pittsburghgirl: I think we've got another broken record...
Are you refereing to me??
Posted by jdocster (Member # 5752) on :
quote: ISIS
Donkey Punch (what the heck is that)
...hahahaha Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
Jay Lee- I think she's referring to the whole subject of this thread.
Which they never understand anything I say anyway.
My whole point about Double Trouble and the whole emphasis on school...is not wether or not the 80s had other violent movie titles- which I could list a billion of them too....it is that there was an emphasis on doing movies geared towards teens that revolved around school, and that there were a ton of TV shows that centered around school. You don't see that anywhere now.
I watched another preview yesterday for a movie called : Crank 2-High Voltage. I thought I was going to leave the movie theater just on that preview , because it was so nasty and gross, and just a giant mess...and I thought ...geez, if this is the kind of movie that they preview at the one I am at, then I am in for it (which I was )...but this preview for this Crank 2- this is EXACTLY the KIND of movie I am talking about-in comparison to stuff from the 80s....even though the 80s had violence....it wasn't this EXTREME....go watch a trailer for this movie, and then maybe you'll finally get what I mean.
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
Actually I'm still laughing I won $50 betting there would be complaints about the new My Bloody Valentine movie. So thanks and keep up the good work! Should I send you half of it? Crank 2 is right up there with the likes of any violent, bloody movie of the 70s or 8os for that matter. Why has the question never been answered about condoning violence and gore in movies past but yet anything current is automatically unwatchable and shouldn't be released? Waits patiently for an answer without hopefully no posts that go off the subject again while dodging the question.......
[ 26. January 2009, 13:09: Message edited by: MotleyRulz ]
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
Yes, send me half.
If you read the reviews of My Bloody Valentine- that are all over the internet, everyone who saw it (that reviewed it) said it stunk. I just read about 25 reviews on it this afternoon.
So, whomever bet you that nobody would complain about it- was a sucker.
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
I bet that certain people would complain about it....
Posted by Pittsburghgirl (Member # 7514) on :
quote:Originally posted by JAY LEE: </font><blockquote><font size="1" face=""Century Gothic", Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face=""Century Gothic", Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Pittsburghgirl: I think we've got another broken record... </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face=""Century Gothic", Verdana, Arial">Are you refereing to me??
No Jay, I'm referring to one other person's persistance that anything outside of 1989 is horrible. It's been 20 years since then, so nothing is going to be the same. The first Crank movie is kind of an action D.O.A. It was what it was- quick paced action flick, a somewhat common type of movie in the 80's.
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
Did you bet that I'd complain about it- or that someone would complain....because the fact that I even brought myself to go see it...that was rough on me- so I don't know why anyone would bet that I wouldn't complain.
I realized that I have not been to the movies in probably 10 years to see a Horror movie. I honestly can't remember the last Rated R Horror movie I have seen-that is new. I realized that Rated R means it's about as Rauchy as they can get away with.
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
I bet that you'd complain cause I know I'd be a shoe in to win. R-movies do stand for raunchy sometimes but keep in mind this is nothing that can be blamed on present day as it's been going on for years........
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
Let me know when you actually collect any money.
Posted by Pittsburghgirl (Member # 7514) on :
Some 80's Rated R flicks: Valley Girl Private School April Fool's Day' Fast Times at Ridgemont High (it almost got an "X" rating)
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
What??
I know those movies are Rated R....what does that have to do with anything?
I said I have not seen a CURRENT Rated R- HORROR movie in at least 10 years.
Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
I've already collected. Also why continually dodge the question of it being ok for movies to be violent and gory back in the 80s as opposed to current day?
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
I have never said that I don't like action movies and everyone knows I love the 80s horror movies.....
I am saying there is a HUGE difference in the kind of Violence that is in today's stuff....it is all about shocking people and doing gross creepy weird stuff....and I am not talking just in horror movies- I am saying that most new movies have this really dark plot line, they have a depressing feel to them.
Even the movies like April Fool's Day and Friday the 13th- they had really fun parts to those movies too, and the people seemed like fun people to be around.
If you don't see it....by watching movies on your own...nothing I ever say, is going to get you to understand what I mean.
I have never dodged this question, I have explained it a billion times, you just never get it.
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
Since you collected your money- and it was all my fault you won, you should be alot nicer to me, since your walking around $50 richer on my behalf, I think you should have to take me out to eat or something! Posted by MotleyRulz (Member # 3598) on :
I do get it but the exact same qualities you mentioned in movies these days also were used in movies back in the 80s that's the point I am trying to make. Ever heard of Friday the 13th? Nightmare on Elm Street? Phantasm 2? My Bloody Valentine? Sleepaway Camp? True those people were fun to be around and the people in movies these days are fun to be around. I am nice to you and nice to everyone. I just challenge people's views and watch them get backed into a corner sometimes. I've already deposited the $50 in the bank so I guess dinner is out of the question darn it!
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
Then maybe I should take the poor person out to eat who lost the $50.... Posted by Pittsburghgirl (Member # 7514) on :
How about the Hellraiser movies? Certainly not feel good movies.
Posted by Sammy Reign In Blood Hain (Member # 3150) on :
*Looks in the mirror*
Candyman Candyman Candyman
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
Don't you people read....I LOVE 80s Horror movies- I know they made violent movies and horror movies in the 80s- why do you constantly point that out...half the movies I have brought up on the 80s movies topic are 80s horror movies.
Posted by Ronnie (Member # 465) on :
i think they are talking about how you hate the violence in movies from today, that you either won't watch or have watched and thought they were too violent... but you seem to not mind the violence/blood/gore/raunchiness of the 80s movies. so they're questioning that.
Posted by ISIS (Member # 1780) on :
Because it is DIFFERENT...it's not that I don't like horror or violence in movies- ever...it is the way that it is done now, in everything...right down to Walt Disney movies-they are all dark and not just violent...they are twisted and deranged, and everyone is a disfunctional mess, and nobody has regular normal people in the movies- they are all weird.
I could relate to the people in the movies in the 80s....they were like people you'd be friends with...now they are freaky weird people that look like they escaped from prison.
That Jason Statham- from that Crank movie-he's a creepy looking guy- I can't keep trying to explain this stuff....those kind of movies are everywhere now, I just listed the names of all the current movies that are out now....and they are all dark and horror related.
I am NEVER saying that the 80s didn't have horror and violence...I am saying that along with that...there were good family movies, there were good teen movies, there were movies you could take your grandparents to see.
What bothers me...is if my Grandparents were still alive- what would they go to see at the movies right now, that wouldn't totally gross them out , and offend them , and they would actually enjoy watching a movie.
Yeah...they would have been embarrassed by alot of the 80s stuff....
but, they still were making good movies back then that even your grandparents would have liked.
I can't see for 1 second my Grandmother liking Crank 2.
I am saying that there's NO variety in today's stuff....that's what I have said all along...today's movies all fit a mold.
I hear people saying that a movie has to be packed with all that action and junk or they lose interest...alot of people can't stand movies that aren't all violence.
You don't see movies like....
Ordinary People, Chariots of Fire, On Golden Pond, Kramer Vs. Kramer, The Outlaw Josey Whales, Arthur, E.T., The Elephant Man, Sweet Dreams, Coal Miner's Daughter, 9 to 5 , Splash, La Bamba, The Idolmaker, Savannah Smiles, Sophie's Choice,The Electic Horseman, Brubaker, Escape from Alcatraz, The Watcher in the Woods, and Tootsie.
Everything is about CGI stuff, and stupidity- comedy to me now is as BAD as horror movies are.
My mom just tried to watch ..Of Lions and Lambs-
she said she watched it, and had no clue what the movie was even about.
I watched Rendition-it was stupid.
They can't get a movie right anymore.
The actors of today don't have the same kind of personality that they use to have. They are too egotistical...they don't have the personality like someone like Bill Murray in Meatballs or Caddyshack- they aren't cool like that.
There's NOBODY that's in the entertainment industry today, that I say..wow, they are cool, I bet they would be a blast to hang out with. I think gosh I know their who life story and they look like a jerk.
I loved how goofy Tom Hanks was in Bachelor Party and when he was on Bosom Buddies. I don't see anyone like that today.
Look at the guys in The Outsiders...who could they ever cast in that movie today?
They'd make that movie a huge violent mess...not that it wasn't violent...but they would emphasis the violence and guns and make it over the top...and they would destroy the story of the movie and you'd never feel the bond between the characters, as if they really were friends...it never comes across like that in movies today.
Posted by Pittsburghgirl (Member # 7514) on :
My Grandmother would have liked Crank ;I haven't seen Crank 2 yet. And Jason Statham is hot- he also used to be a model. I enjoy his movies. They aren't supposed to be mentally stimulating. Sounds like Another Broken Record.
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