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Anybody else seen this rockumentary made in the 80's?

Follow the link for the full movie...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4689920637100527225&q=Decline+of+Western+Civilization+Part&ei=zQFgSILgBoamrwK2jsG2CQ&hl=en

Features interviews with Kiss, Aerosmith, WASP, Megadeth, Poison etc which are great but not half as much fun as watching the "we are the next big thing" interviews with guys you never heard of.

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never got into this one, but then again i wasn't listening to a lot of metal when this came out. i remember the guitar player from wasp sitting in the pool with his mom, that was funny in a pathetic kind of way.

the first one was incredible, though.

there was also a third one made but i haven't seen that one yet.

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Watching the Chris Holmes interview then was funny...watching it with what I know now makes it a lot more serious.

I never saw parts one or three and don't really have any desire to, I just love watching all those glam wannabes talking about how they will definitely become rock stars.

In some areas, this movie is credited with causing the decline of glam metal due to the fans not liking the excess portrayed by the guys in the movie...

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That Chris Holmes thing was fake... and so was the Ozzy breakfast thing. But it is still a fun doc.
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I've seen this one a couple times. I admit, I was glam metal fan, or hair metal, whatever you wanna call it. I remember the Chris Holmes thing, and I remember watching something else, maybe the Ratt Behind the Music, and that was mentioned. He had AIDS, right?
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The Chris Holmes situation was very disturbing. Also the two bands they concentrated on the most, London and Odin were hilarious now in hindsight when neither even became a blip on the radar on the metal scene.

Did anybody realize that one of the glam-wannabees was a young Paulie Shore?

I honestly believe that this movie along with the metal scene as a whole in the late 80s is what killed metal and not the grunge movement like most claim. Grunge was just the next thing for metal fans to grab onto after metal imploded upon itself.

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quote:
Originally posted by JAY LEE:
That Chris Holmes thing was fake... and so was the Ozzy breakfast thing. But it is still a fun doc.

i'm not totally doubting what you are saying, but is there any way to document that the chris holmes scene was fake, or are you just going off something you heard? i never heard it was fake, but then again i didn't pay much attention to the metal scene back then. i did hear something about the ozzy scene being fake but i don't remember much about it. again, i'm not calling you out, i'm just curious.

NOMS, you should check out part 1, even if you don't dig punk. it is still an interesting documentary. and for no other reason, it's worth it for the part on the band FEAR alone. it's the best stage banter i've ever heard from one of the greatest punk bands ever.

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I saw a snippet from some interview with Penelope Spheeris, where she admitted that those two things were "staged" for dramatic effect.
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I've never heard of this series. Apparently there are 3 parts to this documentary.

I have Heavy Metal Parking Lot. Talk about a trip back to the 80s...

http://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Metal-Parking-Jeff-Krulik/dp/B000HT384Y/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1229105515&sr=1-5

Has anyone seen all 3 parts? Seen em' on DVD anywhere?

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The second one barely registered on my radar. Was Lemmy in it? It was all about the first one for me, that Fear set has the greatest crowd bating I've seen, the X set was great too. The Germs were a mess as expected. Aside from that, A lot of early LA punkers weren't too impressed with the movie, in the fact that the scene was in declining state, where the weirder more artsy bands were getting pushed aside for the emerging more dangerous and violent So Cal harcore scene.

A recent Germs movie just came out called What we do is Secret came out which is on my X-mas list.

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I always wanted to see it, but the local video stores here never had it to rent it. If it's available on Netflix, I think I'll have to rent it! I agree with you Sammy, alot of the glam bands ruined the music scene in the late 80's.
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I too have never seen either one of these. I never even heard of them til this year....I think Muffy mentioned it to me awhile back and I was like, "what the heck is that?" I must watch them both at some point.

I think that grunge played a part in the destruction of glam and hair metal. What also helped, was the fact that there was way too many crappy bands and posers trying to take advantage of the glam craze in the early 90's. The combination of both = destruction.

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I added Heavy Metal Parking Lot to my queue at Netflix. Sadly, there is no Decline Part 2 available. I know I searched for it a few years ago on ebay, but the prices were ridiculous. So anyhoo, next weekend we're going to visit our friends who bought a new house, so I thought I'll take HMPL with me to watch. Our friend is a total 80's music freak, so if he didn't see it already, I'm sure he will be in for a treat. And of course there will be alcohol involved for the evening!
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The Chris Holmes scene really stood out in my mind. I'm also curious if there's proof that it was fake? Has this been released to DVD? I also remember checking ebay and amazon for a vhs copy a few years back and the used copies were waaaaaaaaaaay too overpriced around the $30-$50 range I believe. I don't believe grunge played that big a part in the destruction of glam and hair metal. I personally feel glam and hair metal destroyed itself when you consider some of the bands that were getting recording contracts. Smear on a little lipstick and eyeliner, grow your hair out, learn 3 chords, and you have a recording contract was pretty much the motto the last few years of the glam and hair metal cycle. I feel it would have changed regardless and grunge happened to be there when the cycle spun around..........

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I still can't believe you can't find the first two movies in stores. I saw a bootleg once for the first decline but it was expensive. As far as what glam metal turned into, do you think it was Poison's success where it all started to go wrong?
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quote:
Originally posted by JAY LEE:
That Chris Holmes thing was fake... and so was the Ozzy breakfast thing. But it is still a fun doc.

Okay, I watched a clip from youtube- the Chris Holmes in the pool part. What the heck is so fake about it? I have known people who drink as much as he did, so is that what you think is fake? I don't get it.
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I am not claiming it is fake... THE DIRECTOR, Penelope Spheeris admitted it was staged for dramatic effect, along with the Ozzy handshaking thing! I saw her in some interview bit on VH1.
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Just got the DVD for $10.00 on ebay! [Smile]

Hurry up!!! There are 6 left!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Metal-Years-Decline-Of-Western-Civilization-II-Ozzy_W0QQitemZ110323771880QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_DVD_HD_DVD_Blu_ray?hash=item110323771880&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 &_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

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quote:
Originally posted by NiceGuy Sammy Hain:
The Chris Holmes situation was very disturbing. Also the two bands they concentrated on the most, London and Odin were hilarious now in hindsight when neither even became a blip on the radar on the metal scene.

Did anybody realize that one of the glam-wannabees was a young Paulie Shore?

I honestly believe that this movie along with the metal scene as a whole in the late 80s is what killed metal and not the grunge movement like most claim. Grunge was just the next thing for metal fans to grab onto after metal imploded upon itself.

I just saw the movie. I don't know if the Chris Holmes thing was fake. He looked pretty drunk (pathetic) to me. His mom needed a slap in the face to WAKE UP! I thought I saw Paulie Shore!

You're right about London and Odin and some other bands in the film. Never heard of them...

Makes me miss the 80s though... [Big Grin]

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